This past December the Dalhousie Medical Debate Society sent the team of Alyson Horne-Douma and Tim Holland (me) to the World University Debate Championships. Although the top schools in central and western Canada make a priority of securing positions and sending teams at this top-end academic competition, it had been 5 years since an Eastern Canadian University had secured a position and sent a team to the World Championships. For the first time ever Dalhousie Medical would join the ranks of the top schools throughout the world. Unfortunately the forces that be didn’t seem to think this endeavor valuable enough to bother taking the debate team’s application for funding to the Dean or Alumni Association, so the position secured by Alyson and Tim was looking like an empty hope. However, an angel with a funding account saw the importance in this opportunity to show off Dalhousie Medical to the world, and the project came together. So, we want to offer our huge thanks to Dr. Stewart and the Humanities in Medicine program for their huge support (and funding).
This year’s World University Debate Championships (WUDC) were held in Bangkok, Thailand at the beautiful Assumption University (a campus that consists of buildings that look more like palaces than faculty building). Admittedly Alyson and I both felt pretty lost showing up to this enormous event on the other side of the world. Fortunately the other Canadian Schools had seen that Dalhousie listed among the lists of competing schools that were posted all over the place, and quickly took us into their family. So, I’m going to echo another big thanks to McGill, U of T, and York/Osgoode who especially helped make our stay in Thailand that much more fantastic!
Before getting into our story of competition, I’ll give a brief overview of how World-level debating works. Basically, you’re given a topic 15 minutes before the round, and you’re assigned to a side (pro or con). The debate then happens between 4 teams (2 pro and 2 con) over the span of about an hour. The teams are ranked first through fourth and assigned points accordingly. After 3 days of debating the top teams move on to sudden-death octo-finals (which is called breaking), and everybody else is eliminated and watches for the final 3 days of the tournament. I should answer a common question here: all the debates are in English; however, there are special categories for non-Anglophones, so that during the final three days, the top ranked non-Anglophone teams compete in their own set of sudden-death finals.
During the first two days we had our ups and downs, which are quite clearly reflected in our rankings in the first set of rounds: first, fourth, first, fourth, first, fourth, second, fourth, third – in that order… Right here is likely a good place to explain a major problem about this particular tournament. You see, the tournament coordinators ran this tournament in a very… how can I say this in a P.C. way… I can’t… they ran it very Thai. Hey, they are Thai so no surprises, I guess. They went for huge glitz and glam: huge opening ceremonies and closing ceremonies complete with crazy dancers and elephants, royal endorsement, they even rented out an entire amusement park for us on New Year’s Eve. But (this is a big but) they totally frakked up on the basics. The food was a terrible attempt to comfort our Western needs with over-fried chicken and mushy fries when they could have served the legendary ethnic food that Thailand is famous for. They ran hours and hours behind schedule. The final round was introduced by a guy who rode in an elephant escort, but the microphones didn’t work. And most importantly they did next to nothing to ensure a solid judging pool. As you can imagine good judges are key to a good debate tournament, because without good judges there no way to know who’s really winning.
So, as it turns out the judges that gave us our firsts (and that one second) tended to be judges who were ranked amongst the top in the world, and our fourths (and one third) tended to be judges that… well… were basically some crap debaters who couldn’t qualify to compete, but that wanted to come so they could say they judged at World’s. In a way this was frustrating, but in a another it was very encouraging. Supposedly the tournament was possibly the worst judged tournament ever, and that the judges at other WUDCs would be more inline with the judges that gave us firsts, which bodes well for future WUDCs.

3 Comments on “Dalhousie Medical Argues with the World”
Fantastic Tim- congrats! And thanks for the thanks. We need to make this a permanent sponsored program within our budget- how ’bout it? Also, check your Email- I’ve asked about doing something during HUMANITIES DAYS this year. Thanks to you and Alyson for all you do!
RON S. (Humanities guy)
While I agree about the food and the big glitz, the judging was handled and arranged by all non-Thai people, the core adjudication team, mostly from native-speaking nations.
I find the “bad judges” complaint to be typical — the good ones liked us and the bad ones did not. I am curious as to how you determined who the “good” judges were? Supposedly all chairs were good judges, not crap debaters, and they control the discussion about the decision and have a lot of power. Every judge took a test and scored a sample debate and those who did a bad job were demoted to trainee. The “crap” debaters were rated as “trainees” and had no influence at all on the decisions. Each round the chairs rated the panelists as to how they did. Thus, the top 100 judges in the world were in control of the situation. I was both a chair and a panelist. Please do not rag on people when you are a bit misinformed about the entire process.
Having said that, congrats on your performance and I would urge your school to find ways to finance your debating activities. Sorry to be a bit harsh, but best of luck and I hope to see you in Cork and I will buy you a beer and wish you the best.
ACS
Well, it seems our neo-nate med blog is somehow garnering international attention. To be fair my labels of “crap” and “top-ranked” were over-simplified terms for the sake of our generally non-debating audience. The judges who gave us firsts and seconds were essentially all chosen for the top break rounds, and the ones who gave us fourths and thirds were not with one exception, and that exception was a well-deserved fourth. I should note we did get a fourth from one judge that qualified to judge an octo-ESL round, and may have watched a quarter, but I really doubt that compares to the regard given to a judge selected to judge the main final.
As to your comment that “bad” judges tend to be the ones that judge you favorably, and “good” judges are those that judge you favorably, I refer to my friends who did very well at this tournament. Without giving names of those who may not want to be identified, I had multiple friends who broke quite fair up the ranks, and did better at this World’s than any prior World’s they had been to, and yet consistently said this was… let’s just say “sub-par” judging for WUDC as compared to the prior WUDCs they had been to.
I also never meant to deem that the poor judging was due to Thai judges, but more to the fact that they raised the school judge cap ad infinitum (leading to 30+ judges apiece from both Sydney and Monash – does your school honestly have 30 WUDC level judges), and lifted the team cap to 380 more while the DCAs were saying that their judging pool was too stretched at 300. And on top of that the organizers denied aiding the flight costs for key WUDC judges from NA which tends to be par for the course. I can get into more details if need be but I really don’t want to bore those who frequent this blog for medical goings-on.
Sorry, if my post sounded too harsh though. I understand that judging is a subjective thing, and judges very often receive much unjust abuse. Within the debate community I never crap on judges, and frown on those who do. I only posted like that here because this is usually a non-debating forum, and did so to simplify the story I was trying to tell. Apologies if you were offended